Johann Praetorius - Revision history

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	{{NdS2 2009}} p.166-172.		{{NdS2 2009}} p.166-172.

	[[Category:Organist\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Composer\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German ~~organist~~\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German ~~composer~~\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque ~~organist~~\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque ~~composer~~\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque\|Praetorius, Johann]]		[[Category:Organist\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Composer\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German Organists\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German Composers\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque Organists\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque Composers\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque\|Praetorius, Johann]]

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	On the topic of [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], Dirksen and [[Harald Vogel]] wrote in the introduction of the Breitkopf & Härtel edition of the complete keyboard works by Sweelinck:		On the topic of [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], Dirksen and [[Harald Vogel]] wrote in the introduction of the Breitkopf & Härtel edition of the complete keyboard works by Sweelinck:

	<blockquote>On the other hand, it is also impossible to ascribe to another composer works from Sweelinck's substantiated output through a listing of correspondences with compositions from the Sweelinck School. Klaus Beckmann undertook this endeavor, and in two editions he attributed well-known Sweelinck works to the Hamburg organist Johann (Johannes) Praetorius, who had studied in Amsterdam, just as his brother Jacob Praetorius. Unfortunately, he misjuddged the provenance of the main source LyA1, which invalidates one of the major grounds for his argumentation. This source has no transmission link to Hamburg.<ref>[[~~Herald~~ Vogel]] and [[Pieter Dirksen]]. ''Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck: Sämtliche Werke für Tanteninstrumente.'' Vol. 3: Choral- und Psalmvariationen. Wiesbaden: Edition Breitkopf. 2004. p.19.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>On the other hand, it is also impossible to ascribe to another composer works from Sweelinck's substantiated output through a listing of correspondences with compositions from the Sweelinck School. Klaus Beckmann undertook this endeavor, and in two editions he attributed well-known Sweelinck works to the Hamburg organist Johann (Johannes) Praetorius, who had studied in Amsterdam, just as his brother Jacob Praetorius. Unfortunately, he misjuddged the provenance of the main source LyA1, which invalidates one of the major grounds for his argumentation. This source has no transmission link to Hamburg.<ref>[[Harald Vogel]] and [[Pieter Dirksen]]. ''Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck: Sämtliche Werke für Tanteninstrumente.'' Vol. 3: Choral- und Psalmvariationen. Wiesbaden: Edition Breitkopf. 2004. p.19.</ref></blockquote>

	They continued: "Without sufficient research into their respective provenance, the various forms of the name in the sources do not justify changing the attribution from the teacher to a pupil who has yet to emerge with an independent profile."		They continued: "Without sufficient research into their respective provenance, the various forms of the name in the sources do not justify changing the attribution from the teacher to a pupil who has yet to emerge with an independent profile."
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	[[Pieter Dirksen]]. "Der Entstehungshintergrund der Zellerfelder Orgeltabulaturen. Neue Erkenntnisse." in ''Concerto'' 207. Köln: Concerto 2006. p.23-27		[[Pieter Dirksen]]. "Der Entstehungshintergrund der Zellerfelder Orgeltabulaturen. Neue Erkenntnisse." in ''Concerto'' 207. Köln: Concerto 2006. p.23-27

	[[~~Herald~~ Vogel]] and [[Pieter Dirksen]]. ''Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck: Sämtliche Werke für Tasteninstrumente.'' Wiesbaden: Breitkopf & Härtel, 2006.		[[Harald Vogel]] and [[Pieter Dirksen]]. ''Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck: Sämtliche Werke für Tasteninstrumente.'' Wiesbaden: Breitkopf & Härtel, 2006.

	{{NdS2 2009}} p.166-172.		{{NdS2 2009}} p.166-172.

	[[Category:Organist\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Composer\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German organist\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German composer\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque organist\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque composer\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque\|Praetorius, Johann]]		[[Category:Organist\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Composer\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German organist\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German composer\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque organist\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque composer\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:German\|Praetorius, Johann]][[Category:Baroque\|Praetorius, Johann]]

Fiskfan1999: More biographical information

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	== Life ==		== Life ==
	<ref name="nds2">{{NdS2 2009}}</ref>Johann Praetorius was born on November 25, 1595, the son of [[Hieronymus Praetorius\|Hieronymus]] and Anna Praetorius. He initially studied with his father, and he became so talented that he studied with [Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck]] starting in 1608 or 1609.		<ref name="nds2">{{NdS2 2009}}</ref><ref name="grove">Gable, ''Grove Music Online''.</ref>Johann Praetorius was born on November 25, 1595, the youngest son of [[Hieronymus Praetorius\|Hieronymus]] and Anna Praetorius. He initially studied with his father, and he became so talented that he studied with [Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck]] starting in 1608 or 1609.

	He returned to Hamburg in 1612 and became the organist at St. Nikolai, a position he held until his death on July 25, 1660.		He returned to Hamburg in 1612 and became the organist at St. Nikolai, a position he held until his death on July 25, 1660.

	== Compositions ==		== Compositions ==
	Johann Praetorius is known to have composed and published several wedding ~~cantatas~~ from 1615-1635.<ref name="nds2"></ref>		Johann Praetorius is known to have composed and published several wedding motets from 1615-1635.<ref name="nds2"></ref> These don't survive, but there are some surviving transcriptions of three of them.<ref name="grove">Gable, ''Grove Music Online''.</ref>

	No organ music securely attributed to him has survived.		No organ music securely attributed to him has survived.
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	[[Barbara Stirn]]. "Die Orgeltabulaturen der Calvörschen Bibliothek zu Clausthal-Zellerfeld..." Hausarbeit zur Erlangung des Magistergrades (M.A.) Göttingen 1991.		[[Barbara Stirn]]. "Die Orgeltabulaturen der Calvörschen Bibliothek zu Clausthal-Zellerfeld..." Hausarbeit zur Erlangung des Magistergrades (M.A.) Göttingen 1991.

			[[Frederick K. Gable]]. "Praetorius, Johannes." ''Grove Music Online'', 2001. [https://doi.org/10.1093/omo/9781561592630.013.90000380376] Accessed 17 May, 2024.

	[[Klaus Beckmann]] ''Johann Praetorius: Sämtliche Orgelwerke.'' [[Meister der Norddeutschen Orgelschule]] 7. Mainz: Schott, 2004.		[[Klaus Beckmann]] ''Johann Praetorius: Sämtliche Orgelwerke.'' [[Meister der Norddeutschen Orgelschule]] 7. Mainz: Schott, 2004.

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	=== Pieter Dirksen ===		=== Pieter Dirksen ===
	On the topic of [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], Dirksen and [[~~Herald~~ Vogel]] wrote in the introduction of the Breitkopf & Härtel edition of the complete keyboard works by Sweelinck:		On the topic of [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], Dirksen and [[Harald Vogel]] wrote in the introduction of the Breitkopf & Härtel edition of the complete keyboard works by Sweelinck:

	<blockquote>On the other hand, it is also impossible to ascribe to another composer works from Sweelinck's substantiated output through a listing of correspondences with compositions from the Sweelinck School. Klaus Beckmann undertook this endeavor, and in two editions he attributed well-known Sweelinck works to the Hamburg organist Johann (Johannes) Praetorius, who had studied in Amsterdam, just as his brother Jacob Praetorius. Unfortunately, he misjuddged the provenance of the main source LyA1, which invalidates one of the major grounds for his argumentation. This source has no transmission link to Hamburg.<ref>[[Herald Vogel]] and [[Pieter Dirksen]]. ''Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck: Sämtliche Werke für Tanteninstrumente.'' Vol. 3: Choral- und Psalmvariationen. Wiesbaden: Edition Breitkopf. 2004. p.19.</ref></blockquote>		<blockquote>On the other hand, it is also impossible to ascribe to another composer works from Sweelinck's substantiated output through a listing of correspondences with compositions from the Sweelinck School. Klaus Beckmann undertook this endeavor, and in two editions he attributed well-known Sweelinck works to the Hamburg organist Johann (Johannes) Praetorius, who had studied in Amsterdam, just as his brother Jacob Praetorius. Unfortunately, he misjuddged the provenance of the main source LyA1, which invalidates one of the major grounds for his argumentation. This source has no transmission link to Hamburg.<ref>[[Herald Vogel]] and [[Pieter Dirksen]]. ''Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck: Sämtliche Werke für Tanteninstrumente.'' Vol. 3: Choral- und Psalmvariationen. Wiesbaden: Edition Breitkopf. 2004. p.19.</ref></blockquote>

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 == Attributions ==
 Starting around 1990, a few pieces from the North-German Organ School have become associated with the Hamburg organist. This resulted in a debate between [[Klaus Beckmann]] and other related musicologists, and the pieces were mainly either anonymous or attributed to [[Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck]] found in [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], [[D-B Ms. Lynar B 2|B 2]], and other similar manuscripts.
 === Pieter Dirksen ===

Fiskfan1999: life and compositions

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life and compositions

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	'''Johann Praetorius''' was an organist.		'''Johann Praetorius''' (1595-1660) was an organist and composer.

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	No compositions by Johann Praetorius survive. However, he has been at the center of a decades-long controversy surrounding the attribution of some pieces (some anonymous, some with initials such as ''J. P.''), mainly by [[Klaus Beckmann]].		No organ compositions by Johann Praetorius survive. However, he has been at the center of a decades-long controversy surrounding the attribution of some pieces (some anonymous, some with initials such as ''J. P.''), mainly by [[Klaus Beckmann]].

			== Life ==
			<ref name="nds2">{{NdS2 2009}}</ref>Johann Praetorius was born on November 25, 1595, the son of [[Hieronymus Praetorius\|Hieronymus]] and Anna Praetorius. He initially studied with his father, and he became so talented that he studied with [Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck]] starting in 1608 or 1609.

			He returned to Hamburg in 1612 and became the organist at St. Nikolai, a position he held until his death on July 25, 1660.

			== Compositions ==
			Johann Praetorius is known to have composed and published several wedding cantatas from 1615-1635.<ref name="nds2"></ref>

			No organ music securely attributed to him has survived.

	== Attributions ==		== Attributions ==
			Starting around 1990, a few pieces from the North-German Organ School have become associated with the Hamburg organist. This resulted in a debate between [[Klaus Beckmann]] and other related musicologists, and the pieces were mainly either anonymous or attributed to [[Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck]] found in [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], [[D-B Ms. Lynar B 2\|B 2]], and other similar manuscripts.

	=== Pieter Dirksen ===		=== Pieter Dirksen ===
	On the topic of [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], Dirksen and [[Herald Vogel]] wrote in the introduction of the Breitkopf & Härtel edition of the complete keyboard works by Sweelinck:		On the topic of [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], Dirksen and [[Herald Vogel]] wrote in the introduction of the Breitkopf & Härtel edition of the complete keyboard works by Sweelinck:

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	\| [[H-Bmnm Bartfai gyüjtemeny Ms. 27]] f.15r-16r<br>[[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] II p.58-61 \|\| [H-Bmnm:] Cantic: Sacr: Vater unser im Himmelreich /<br>Joan Pet. Sch: Amb. Org. \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[H-Bmnm Bartfai gyüjtemeny Ms. 27]] f.15r-16r<br>[[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] II p.58-61 \|\| [H-Bmnm:] Cantic: Sacr: Vater unser im Himmelreich /<br>Joan Pet. Sch: Amb. Org. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| \|\| \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] I p.149-152<br>[[D-Lr Mus.ant.pract. K.N. 208/2]] f.47v-48r \|\| [Ze:] Vom himmel /<br>hoch da kim /<br>ich her. p. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| \|\| \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]] p.140-149<br>[[I-Tn Collezione Giordano, Ms. 5]] f.135v-140r \|\|[A 1:] Wir glauben all /<br>an einen Gott. /<br>Joann Pieters. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| \|\| \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar B 2]] f.19v-21r \|\| P 23 /<br>Main hütter vnndt /<br>mein hirtt /<br>auf 2 Clauiren \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| \|\| \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar B 2]] f.15v-17r \|\| Psalm ii6 /<br>J. P. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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			\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]] p.166-172 \|\| Mein Junges Leben /<br>hat ein Endt, /<br>Johann. Pieters. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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			\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar B 2]] f.18v-19r \|\| O Gott du /<br>unser Vater /<br>bist /<br>Auff 2 Clauiren \|\| \|\| \|\|
	\|}		\|}

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	\| [[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] I p.20-25/179-184 \|\| Herr Christ /<br>d einige Got= /<br>tessohn \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] I p.20-25/179-184 \|\| Herr Christ /<br>d einige Got= /<br>tessohn \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| \|\| \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]] p.205-210<br>[[H-Bmnm Bartfai gyüjtemeny Ms. 27]] f.25v-27r \|\| [A 1:] Ich ruff zu dir /<br>Herr Jesu Christ /<br>Johann Peters. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| \|\| \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]] p.120-123<br>[[A-Wm Ms. XIV-714]] f.223v-224r \|\| [A 1:] Nu freut euch lieben /<br>Christen gemein, /<br>Joann: Pieters. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| \|\| \|\| \|\| \|\|		\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]] p.211-213 \|\| Puer nobis /<br>nascitur /<br>Johann Peters. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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Fiskfan1999: 1/3rd way through works list

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	! Source !! Title !! Incipit !! Notes !! Ref.		! Source !! Title !! Incipit !! Notes !! Ref.
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	\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~		\| [[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] I p.133-138 \|\| Allein zu /<br>dir Herr /<br>Jesu Christ /<br>Johan. P. /<br>Manual: \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~		\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]] p.201-204<br>[[I-Tn Collezione Foa, Ms. 8]] f.133v-137r<br>[[A-Wm Ms. VIX/714]] f.223v-224r \|\| [A 1:] Christe quj lux /<br>es et dies /<br>Johann Peters. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~ \|\| ~~Example~~		\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]] p.133-139<br>[[D-B Mus.ms. 40316]] f.26v-28r \|\| [A 1:] Da pacem Domine /<br>in dieb nostris. /<br>Joann. Pieters. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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			\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]] p.117-120<br>[[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] II p.36-37<br>[[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] II p.38-41<br>[[I-Tn Collezione Giordano, Ms. 5]] f.130v-136r \|\| [A 1:] Erbarm dich mein /<br>o Herre Gott. /<br>Joann Pieters. \|\| \|\| \|\|
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			\| [[I-Tn Collezione Giordano, Ms. 5]] f.125v-131r \|\| Versus /<br>J. P. S. \|\| \|\| ''Es sind doch selig alle'' \|\|
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			\| [[D-B Ms. Lynar B 2]] f.23v-25r<br>[[Eckelt Tablature]] f.45v-46r<br>[[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatuers]] I p.236-239<br>[[Zellerfeld Organ Tablatures]] II p.54-57 \|\| [B 2:] Es spricht der /<br>unweisen Mundt /<br>woll \|\| \|\| \|\|
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	No compositions by Johann Praetorius survive. However, he has been at the center of a decades-long controversy surrounding the attribution of some pieces (some anonymous, some with initials such as ''J. P.''), mainly by [[Klaus Beckmann]].		No compositions by Johann Praetorius survive. However, he has been at the center of a decades-long controversy surrounding the attribution of some pieces (some anonymous, some with initials such as ''J. P.''), mainly by [[Klaus Beckmann]].

			== Attributions ==
			=== Pieter Dirksen ===
			On the topic of [[D-B Ms. Lynar A 1]], Dirksen and [[Herald Vogel]] wrote in the introduction of the Breitkopf & Härtel edition of the complete keyboard works by Sweelinck:

			<blockquote>On the other hand, it is also impossible to ascribe to another composer works from Sweelinck's substantiated output through a listing of correspondences with compositions from the Sweelinck School. Klaus Beckmann undertook this endeavor, and in two editions he attributed well-known Sweelinck works to the Hamburg organist Johann (Johannes) Praetorius, who had studied in Amsterdam, just as his brother Jacob Praetorius. Unfortunately, he misjuddged the provenance of the main source LyA1, which invalidates one of the major grounds for his argumentation. This source has no transmission link to Hamburg.<ref>[[Herald Vogel]] and [[Pieter Dirksen]]. ''Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck: Sämtliche Werke für Tanteninstrumente.'' Vol. 3: Choral- und Psalmvariationen. Wiesbaden: Edition Breitkopf. 2004. p.19.</ref></blockquote>

			They continued: "Without sufficient research into their respective provenance, the various forms of the name in the sources do not justify changing the attribution from the teacher to a pupil who has yet to emerge with an independent profile."

	== Works ==		== Works ==